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So how did the hammer end up embedded inside the rock? After its discovery and due to all the questions the hammer raised, researchers decided to abandon the incredible discovery in the Somerwell Museum, in Texas. Surprisingly researchers also found that the iron had undergone a process of purification and hardening, typical of metallurgy of the twentieth century. According to geologists, the slow process of petrification dates back hundreds of millions of years. Evidence suggesting that the iron from the hammer might have originated from a meteorite is not a possibility according to researchers. The chemical analysis of the artifact also detected certain amounts of potassium, silicon, chlorine, calcium and sulfur.

Not to mention stars and galaxies. The most rational belief in my opinion is agnosticism. We do not know. Every living thing I know of is carbon based. If you cut the handle in half and count how many rings are in the grain of the wood you can find out how old the hammer is. Good for a laugh, Mark, but not so.

You would have to have a hammer handle with its center being the center of the tree, and know that the exterior of the handle was the last layer of wood. Satisfying these conditions, and a tiny bot of dendrology would tell you how old the tree was when the wood was cut, but nothing of the age of the hammer, or even how long ago the tree grew, UNLESS you were very fortunate and found correlating dendrochronology.

But a good thought by you.

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How does Carbon dating work on the wooden handle that the gentleman suggested be carbon dated. Ignorance is a major problem as is literacy in the world. I believe just about anything that is matter on this planet can be dated, not just those things that have once lived. This has nothing to do with DNA, but more to do with carbon molecules and the radioactive half-life of the elements being dated.

Carbon 14 dating was done on wood from the inner handle. Tests determined it is no more than years old. Certainly not ancient. Google it up. Unlike say, granite, sandstone can form very quickly. Experiments showed you can grind up sandstone, mix it with water and pour it into shapes and voila, instant sandstone blocks. Dont try it at home though, the quartz powder in sandstone is very dangerous to your lungs.

Carbon dating is not particularly accurate on many time-scales. Easier would be to try and match tree rings to archival data. Easiest would be to check the mineral types and attempt to replicate an action of enclosing an artifact into the rock.

Of course, without th ability or desire to incorporate new data into your world-view a skill the vast majority of creationists seem to lack, no evidence could be convincing enough to withdraw the speculations. The thing I find striking about this artifact is that the hammer is not bound to the rock in any of the many places you would assume if it had been incorporated into the rock. The lack of provenance and in many cases the original artifacts themselves in so many of these cases sets alarms ringing.

Check out some mining tools on this page, and the swage tool at the bottom which is another variation of this type of tool:. All mines that used rock drills used to have a blacksmith on site to sharpen the drills because they would go dull very quickly. That is very helpful, thanks! A tool with relevance to quarrying explains perfectly why it was found where it was.

What about the metallurgy of the hammer head itself? It is a strange mix of iron, chlorine and sulfur which, in this case at least, rendered a type of tool steel that is highly resistant to oxidization. If this artifact was actually a common type of 19th century metal working hammer, where are all the others just like or very similar to it in their composition?

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A 19th century hammer would be easy to expose. Probably right down to the very person who made it! Tools like this were made in mass, not unique one offs so to speak. Iron was pretty much always contaminated with anything that could be in the ground. Remember iron comes from ore, so it gets mixed into anything that ever lived in a volcano, which is everything even most meteorites.

This planet is mostly iron. All the way to the middle. Now you must understand this was a very long time ago. In fact, this relative made a full set of nice tools for Noah sometime before the building of the Ark, which itself is somewhere up on Mount Arrarat. What we hope to do is to compare the tools, and that would confirm everything.

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The million year old hammer. This curious artifact was discovered in the city of London, Texas, USA, in The hammer appeared embedded inside a rock and since its Your assumption that the rock is millions of years old could be based on flawed "science"! Carbon dating is unreliable after a certain number of years of age of : Ancient Code. Mystery of the million-year old hammer. Posted on Wednesday, 9 April, maintained that inconclusive test results had dated the hammer back just years and that Baugh had delayed a full carbon dating test because he didn't want to be proven wrong. So does the London Hammer really date back several million years or is it simply a. Jack, the hammer or the sediment was never alive. Carbon dating can only be done on living or once living matter. I do not wish you or anyone who commented here, think that I am name-calling when I use the term ignorant, but the secular scientist rely heavily on the ignorance of the public.

Mike - As an engineer I can tell you that chlorine corrodes steel, even stainless steel, and there is no way that any steel can be made with chlorine. Look at the style of the object. That ought to be the starting point.

The london hammer carbon dating

Stylistically, this is a nineteenth-century hammer. If you then want to go ahead and perform tests on the composition of the iron, by all means do so. However, the February issue of Creation Ex Nihilo specifically denied the involvement of the Institute, so it seems that the analysis was not performed by them.

It turns out that there is nothing inexplicable about the metallurgy of the hammer.

It has been stated that carbon dating "showed inconclusive dates ranging from the present to years ago." History. The hammer was purportedly found by a local couple, Max Hahn and his wife, while out walking along the course of the Red Creek near the town of London.

The whole thing is a fraudulent claim. Sophisticated electron microscopes served to examine the structure and composition of the steel the hammerhead was made of. The results of the examinations were as mysterious as they were bewildering. The hammerhead, chemically speaking, consisted of Incredibly, this material is almost entirely solid iron! Other additives or impurities were not detectable.

Non-destructive testing methods of steel quality comprise x-ray examination, magnetic testing as well as ultrasonic detection. X-rays showed no evidence of inclusions or irregularities in the hammerhead steel. This means, it was tempered and hardened in some way. In general, chemically genuine and unworked steel is rather soft.

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The even structure determined, however, suggests that this hard steel that was manufactured by some sophisticated technology. The results of the examination are as sensational as they are unbelievable. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of steel manufacturing knows that every modern steel-making process, inevitably leads to carbon or silicon impurities! I emphasize the word inevitably.

Steel production without these impurities is simply unthinkable! No other known ingredients used for refinement such as copper, titanium, manganese, cobalt, or molybdenum, vanadium, wolfram or nickel could be traced.

We employ these and other elements in steel manufacturing to achieve different properties needed for different fields of application. The high quantity of the chlorine in the fossil hammerhead is remarkable, as well. Chlorine plays no part in modern steel manufacturing. IF there really is anything unusual about this metal, there always could be the explanation of a poorly trained novice blacksmith who included something he shouldnt have and stumbled across something wonderful.

I have read the comments and ridiculous explanations made by the person in charge of these articles, and I have to say that this person is no more than an evolution-obsessed short minded ignorant. And knowing that, we will know that all these objects are not millions of years old. They are objects burried during the big Biblical flood, that has being recorded by every ancient culture around the world.

Please see Romans You can post as many links to ridiculous creationist YouTube videos as you like, but they are just plain wrong.

Their evil lives hide the truth they have. Yes, God has made it clear to them. But since the beginning of the world, those things have been easy for people to understand. They are made clear in what God has made.

So people have no excuse for the evil they do. Their ideas were all useless. There was not one good thought left in their foolish minds. So God left them and let them go their sinful way. And so they became completely immoral and used their bodies in shameful ways with each other.

They bowed down and worshiped the things God made instead of worshiping the God who made those things. He is the one who should be praised forever. Women stopped having natural sex with men and started having sex with other women.

Men did shameful things with other men, and in their bodies they received the punishment for those wrongs. So God left them and allowed them to have their own worthless thinking. And so they do what they should not do.

I do not believe in any god but being a nuclear physicist with extensive and very diverse education I too consider evolution theory a myth. There is no possible way for life to spontaneously develop under any circumstances. The concatenation of events leading to current cornucopia of life forms is not just impossible, the possibility is a negative I am being sarcastic here.

There must have been a force that caused this evolutional trace observed in archeology studies to occur. There are scores of researchers, some of them are the pillars of modern theory of man as an animal machine who admitted after years of digging that there must be something else. The inability of modern science to look this factor straight in the face and admit it is rather silly.

Because these are the people who claim to have the most sober attitude.

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They do not have the most sober attitude, neither do you. Most of the people in our societies base their conclusion on their pet authorities only. You are not any better, you can get off your high horse. Furthermore, evolution theory only applies to what happens after life came into existence.

Why do you dismiss the possiblity of anything such? A nuclear physicist eh?

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I however am and know exactly how incredibly easy it is for complex structures to emerge from simple building blocks, as has been backed up by computer simulations many times. So does self-delusion. Gonz - There is a mountain of proof that there was no worldwide flood. But lets forget that for the moment and focus on your sedimentary layers comment. The sedimentary layers found throughout the globe encompass a wide range of different ages. And when I say different ages, I mean millions of years.

Radiometric dating has confirmed this.

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Different fossilized remains of animals that lived at different times has also shown that sedimentary layers are not all the same age and were not all deposited at the same time. If there was a worldwide flood, that kind of water action would not have deposited the fine grained homogeneous material that rock formations like limestone are made up of.

You would have had quite a range of particle sizes in all sedimentary formations. You also would have had a wide range of fossils too. Not one elephant, mongoose, moose, finch. Not one oak tree or acorn either. Every living creature, plant and animal, alive today has NO representation in sedimentary rocks supposedly laid down just thousands of years ago, even though And ALL the plants and animals that are found fossilized in those rocks cannot be found alive anywhere on Earth, even though Noah took a pair of every species.

I know that, as a cultist, you are used to having people tell you what happened and how to think. When the preacher or the creationist website tells you something, your brain just does what it always does and accepts it without question or skepticism. That is how you have come to accept fictional nonsense as the truth even though it is so easily dismissed with a little rational thought. Um, not true, on the fossil claim.

I have a fossilized ginko leaf at home from a sedimentary rock formation. It looks near identical to the leaves on the ginko tree up the street from the home I grew up in. Ginko is indeed a very old tree, though its appearance says little about the internal changes that may have occurred over time. It is however, the only tree of Ginkgophyta still alive in modern age. Such exceptions are literally the exceptions that verify the rule: that life has changed over time.

There are thousands of fossils that are of animals that are alive today quit spouting disinformation.

Dr Carl Werner shows clear evidence of it in a video series. That means no flood.

The London Hammer:

I agree with Keith. So often people will reject evidence, often violently, if it threatens to topple their often precariously constructed book of law in which they have found safety and stability. We are all story tellers. Emotions are real, words are our stories attempting to make sense of them. Hello, the lights are on and no body is home, really this a no brainer folks.

Time travel is the most likely. To be honest, that looks like a railroad hammer, used to drive spikes into cross ties. You used to be able to find them pretty easily all over Texas when I was a kid. Almost as common as railroad spikes themselves. Limestone slurries were used in a variety of industries over the years. Construction, coal plants, oil wells to name a few. The Bible is just a book of stories, most of which cannot be historically corroborated. I know this is getting further and further from the original topic but I seriously would like to have some input on a theory I have.

What if the bible is a book of many things? A book that includes the history of the Jewish people, a dietary guide book, a self help book, and maybe just maybe a scientific book. What if you looked at the bible from a scientific perspective and instead of mocking the story of Eve being created from Adams rib, why not think that maybe what they were describing was some sort of cloning?

What if the story of Jonah and the whale was really a story of a man and a submarine? What if they had no words to describe it? Or an earth that was used for resources, mined if you will. What if we are all just one big experiment. It was positioned under a drip. You all look ignorant unintelligent and idiotic when you bicker about pointless things on the Internet, the world needs to move on and realise we are all humans regardless of our political or religious opinions and they are just that, opinions science is the only thing without a doubt that questions itself until it had solid proof or evidence, it has theories until proven and theories are rigorously tested until proven or disproven, if their is no yes or no answer it remains a theory until scientific processes are advanced enough to get a result.

Not ascribing to any particular theory and aside from whether or not this hammer is ancient or recent, I wonder why is it people get so attached to one particular view of Time? Einsteins theory of relativity indicates that Time is relative. Is it so inconcievable that both camps, creationists and secular scientists could be both right and wrong on their view of how old the Earth is and what that means? If God exists and is omnipotent then time itself is a construct concieved by a greater power.

Scientists should keep a truly open mind and be more tolerant of possibility and creationists more open to the idea that If God exists then his ways are beyond the ability of words to frame, even in tablets of stone. Kelly, you obviously know nothing about relativity, which is about the effects of velocity, acceleration, and differing observation frameworks location and velocity of the observer relative to the object s being observed. I dont disagree or agree at this moment.

I sometimes think america would do anything to cover the truth from the public and make up some crazy geological explaination crashing the possiblities that something like this artifact never actually happened in the correct periodic dates.

They would do anything to keep it hidden to protect their reputation besides what anybody says.

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We also have uninterrupted tree-ring records for the last years or so, so if there are visible rings in the wood in the handle or if a core was taken that could be used to date it. We actually have tree ring records going back much farther, thanks to the extraordinarily long lived California bristlecone pine, which can live to be over years old this is already an obvious problem for those who believe in a world-wide flood and an earth that is barely years old! The sequence can be extended further back by matching rings from living trees with older samples.

See also the Wikipedia article on creosote bushes - one clonal colony is known to have lived for 11, years, which by YEC dating makes it almost twice as old as the Earth. I wonder what is was doing for the almost 6, years of its life before it existed? Obviously it was burning and waiting for Mozes to arrive to see it. But hey, mysterious god right? The true system, the real system, is our present construction of systematic thought itself, rationality itself, and if a factory is torn down but the rationality which produced it is left standing, then that rationality will simply produce another factory.

If a revolution destroys a systematic government, but the systematic patterns of thought that produced that government are left intact, then those patterns will repeat themselves in the succeeding government. And so little understanding. The composition of the hammer is proof that it was made at an unknown date when the earth had a different atmosphere.

Chlorine is a regular component of meteoritic iron. If that was the source of the iron used to make the hammer head, then the problem is solved. Similarly, if an iron ore contained quantities of a mineral such as biotite an iron rich micawhich has a high chlorine content, this could also account for a high proportion of chlorine in any iron smelted from it.

In other words, there is no need to posit an atmosphere rich in chlorine. One wonders quite how the generations between Adam and Noah coped with that sort of concentration of chlorine in the air: it would have burned their lungs from the moment they took their first breaths!

What Keith said.

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Also this is assuming that those analysis reports are real. It is interesting that one side of science talks about trees that live years yet no one witnessed when the tree was planted Carbon dating says the world is a gazillion years old yet what do they use to calibrate the machines and one story about this talks about the handle turning into coal which takes millions of years yet no one witnessed how long it takes coal to form.

None of the scientific methods to date the earth or any particular object can be proven. Someone mentioned a jug placed in a cave and how quickly it calcified, I have heard a story of a rope that was partially in a river and when they pulled it out, the part in the water was fossilized.

So nothing can be proven one way or the other without a shadow of doubt. It seems everyone has faith in something, either that the people that designed a machine really know how to use it to date an object as very old, or that the Bible is true. Oh, please! The tree was.

It contains annual growth rings. Anyone who has learned to count can count them. What we have is evidence and hypotheses designed to explain that evidence. When an hypothesis becomes sufficiently robust - in other words, no-one has ever produced evidence that refutes it - it passes to the level of a theory. Theories have nothing to do with faith. Theories can be overturned easily, if the counter-evidence is good enough. Scientific careers are often based on overturning earlier theories and hypotheses.

Well on its way to be completely calcified. I guess that could prove that Morocco is in fact several hundred million years older than we thought! According to some sources, carbon dating claims the hammer is more than million years old, the hammer, not the rock.

This raises questions.

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God created the earth like 5, to 10, years ago. Praise Jesus! No other organism could have been intelligent enough to create such an object Common sense to the scientist. Is anyone else bothered by the fact there is a perfect cutout around the hammer? I would think if something was actually embedded in rock the rock would be tight up against it all over.

Obviously limestone minerals can be diluted by water and form around an object. I have to wonder though if this is an outright hoax.

A hammer was found in London, Texas, in encased in stone that had formed around it. The rock surrounding the hammer is said to be more than million years old, suggesting the hammer was made well before humans who could have made such an object are thought to have existed. If this were true, it would be quite interesting. Abstract An iron and wooden hammer, sometimes called the "London Artifact" or "London Hammer," found by local hikers in a creek bed near London, Texas in , has been promoted by Carl Baugh and other strict creationists as an out-of place artifact. Replica of the London Hammer as presented in a slide by Dr. Doug Newton of the non-profit organization Trinity Creation Studies. (Screenshot/YouTube) archaeology. Out of Place in Time: Was This Hammer Made Million Years Ago? By Tara MacIsaac, Epoch Times. April 3, Carbon dating performed in the late s "showed inconclusive.

Also seems odd that the handle is broke in such a way someone could just sit the head of the hammer in the cutout. It clearly indicates that Fred Flintstone was real as it was found in ancient bedrock!!

The London Hammer is a name given to a hammer made of iron and wood that was found in London, Texas in Part of the hammer is embedded in a limy rock concretion, leading to it being hailed in some quarters as an anomalous artifact: if an obviously man-made tool is old enough to have been encased in rock, the argument goes, then. The London Hammer, or the London Artifact as some call it, was promoted by Baugh as a monumental 'Pre-Flood discovery. Additional curiosity was generated when a report from the Creation Ex Nihile dated the rock formation encompassing the hammer as million years old.: Jim H. Carbon dating hammer, not the london hammer was dated to some sources, the hammer made of probably carbonate material. London hammer made of carbon dating is as they can date things using radio carbon dating is indeed a million year old rock. Stay Up To Date.

Ergo dinosaurs lived with man. Now I need to take my meds and set fire to a bush so I can listen to God then persecute some gays and abortionists then go hunt something that is bordering on extinction.

Is it possible for tempered iron not to have carbon impurities in it? People seem to have missed a very interesting point by this article. The clear take away is that you just cannot tell. So the next time they say they found a fish fossil in a 10 quintillion year old rock and claim life began way earlier than anyone thought, why should we believe them? I just wish people would stop claiming facts and state it as it is, an educated guess.

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So basically until we have a flawless way of dating items, organic or not. Then without the necessary dating advances, what hope is their? Oh and if my grammars off, who cares! Did I miss anything!!!! Oh yeah, if you explode a nuclear bomb. It will set the air on fire one atom at a time causing a run away cascading event destroying the entire planet.

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. And there is no photographic evidence of the object prior to being disturbed. One report states that the hammer was embedded in a rock formation dating from the Cretaceaus Period million years ago. But other accounts state that Mr. This could easily lead novice geologists to believe that the hammer and the rock formation are from the same time period.

The handle appears to be partially fossilized, so this certainly adds to the argument that this a very ancient tool. But fossilization can occur prematurely through various natural methods. Jim has always had a strong passion for travel, archaeology, and history. He feels fortunate to have been able to visit many of the ancient wonders that he read about in history books.

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