Edison Home Phonograph Model B with Cygnet HornConfigurations of the plate changed as needs arose for more information. This is especially true with the introduction of the Model C Standard and after. My understanding of the prosaic patent plate is still evolving. I became aware of differences over the course of time. So, yet-unidentified variations and sub-categories are still quite possible. I have numbered the discreet types of plates in what I consider to be their rough chronological order.
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Posted: Sat Sep 30, pm. I've seen a number of requests here for manufacture dates of these machines, and I know there are no records anymore, but was wondering if possibly Martin or George might know anything about the dates the machines might have left the factory on these two I have: S patent date S patent date Many thanks in advance for any insight Jim. Post subject: Re: Edison Standard A serial number lookup.
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, am. There are a lot of questions on this subject and is there a way that this information could be generalized and posted like the Victor Victrola set up.???
Maybe it could be posted in our quarterly magazine. Just a thought.
Tom B. I hesitated to ask here because I know there are lots of requests of this kind, but I exhausted all the online sources where I might find out without having to ask. I have a natural curiosity about any machine I find, and thought I'd give it a shot. I apologize if it's repetitive. Posted: Sun Oct 01, pm.
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No need to hesitate - I'm happy to help when I can. Original sales data exists for Edison Phonographs and Records from through may I've explained my situation before, and for those who have not yet read it, here it is: viewtopic. Edison Standard No. George P. George, Thank you for looking it up for me. The Edison company fought back for market share with the introduction of the 4 minute wax Amberol.
Thus, the Model D — Combination Type Standard was introduced in the 3rd quarter of to play both the earlier 2 minute and the new 4 minute records. In fact the case was shorter in that the base board was eliminated. Instead, the case had a thin cover on the bottom.
Usually a bracket is found on the bottom front of the case for the horn crane foot.
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The top left front of the case is slotted and notched for the horn crane brace. The lid went through a couple of changes throughout production. A small block is often found nailed on the inside left, presumably to hold the gear cover in place during transportation.
Most originals are potmetal and subject to swelling usually not found on functioning machines today. The speed is changed from 2 to 4 minutes by pulling a knurled knob on the left side of the top gear cluster. These are often damaged and may have been added at the factory after the other decorations were covered in shellac.
The lining quickly changed to the more elaborate stenciling. Variously, the model type was located at the top or bottom of the plate or as a suffix to the serial number probably using up Model B plates after Model Bs ceased production.
These will often have a cygnet horn crane bracket mounted to the rear of the case.
The reproducer carrier was initially the angled carrier arm, much like the Model B but with a different half-nut to mesh with the different feedscrew. Often the Model H is coated with green shellac on the tube plate for ready identification. Later, when the celluloid Blue Amberols were introduced, some owners replaced the carrier arms with the horizontal type for the Diamond B reproducer. The horizontal carrier arms are found in two configurations the non-adjustable type cast in a single pieceand the adjustable type.
The Model E Standard was introduced in It was created at the instigation of Edison dealer Babson Brothers of Chicago. It was felt that a special 4 minute-only machine was needed for mail order sale. Again, most are potmetal and subject to swelling. The small gear on the mandrel shaft is also different from the one on the Model D, having only the one gear for 4 minute use. The model type was located at the top or bottom of the plate.
Edison, Inc. Sometimes one will see very late patent plates reflecting the name change. Reserve stocks of the previous type must have been quite high if rarity of the last type is any indication. They were probably added so late that they were used only for re-purposed or remanufactured machines. They are found sprinkled through the last 15, machines.
The reproducer carrier was special to this machine. The carrier arm was angled, much like the Model D, but had a larger holder for the Model N reproducer also special for this machine. As with the Model D, when the celluloid Blue Amberols were introduced, some carrier arms were replaced with the horizontal type for the Diamond B reproducer. The Model F Standard was introduced in late The 10 Cygnet horn was standard equipment with this model.
As with the Model D, the speed is changed from 2 to 4 minutes by pulling a knurled knob on the left side of the top gear cluster. These are often damaged and may have been added after the other decorations were covered with shellac. The model type was located at the top or bottom of the plate with the bottom being the most common. Perhaps the very late style plates replaced re-purposed plates when the machine was re-purposed once again. The small horizontal reproducer carrier was special to this machine to hold the Model S reproducer.
The Model G Standard is a legendary machine. Some believe that it exists and others do not. The illustrating photograph in the book is the same case used for the Model F with a different carrier arm and reproducer at the very least. Unfortunately, the swap was not noted at the time and the machine is currently unavailable for study or photography. As of this writing, I still have not recorded an example of a Model G that is labeled as such. It is clear that Edison did have a genuine Model G designation.
It is possible that the Model type was used as a machine configuration reference and may seldom have been labeled as such on the Patent Plate. By the time of its introduction Oct.
I base that idea on the reconfigured machines that show up in the later part of the data sheet. It has been described as a 4 minute-only machine, featuring a Cygnet horn and a horizontal reproducer carrier arm.
It came equipped either with a Model N or a Diamond B reproducer. This would seem a logical choice for unsold stocks of Model E Standards during the time of the introduction of the Blue Amberol record. Interestingly, the Model E is not mentioned at all.
Until such time an actual Model G patent plate shows up or documentation such as a sales slip showing a Model E serial number being listed as a Model G I can only list the model type based on the evidence on hand. The carrier arm would be the large horizontal type using the Diamond B reproducer. The horn would be the Cygnet 10 or Cygnet Music Master.
Photograph of Thomas A. Edison listening to the New Edison Diamond Disc Phonograph. Advertisement in The Gramophone, December Cylinders. Original sales data exists for Edison Phonographs and Records from You'll find that patent dates on data plates is not a good way to date. Before there were CD players and tape decks, there was the phonograph. August 12, is the date popularly given for Thomas Edison's completion of the.
The Edison Standard appeared over the years configured for Correspondence School use. The most notable was the International Correspondence Schools I. Their chief use was for language courses, but they were also used for teaching music as well.
Typically, these machines have top mounted speed adjustment screws. This was necessary in that entertainment records ran at rpm while language records ran at 90 rpm for longer duration.
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The phonograph was developed as a result of Thomas Edison's work on two other Although it was later stated that the date for this event was on August 12, . Part 2. Antique Edison phonograph models (outside horn). Note: For a more comprehensive description, dateline and images of Edison phonograph models, . click to see all images. Description. Introduced in March This early model known as the "Square Top Standard" sports an early automatic reproducer and.
Please refer to the illustration for the Model C machine for a typical configuration. The earliest ones seem to be based on the Model A New Style machine. These early entries bear further investigation. The highest serial numbers on my Excel sheet are all I. Has no serial number. Serial numbers were punched into raised boss on bedplate. Last Patent date: Jun. This plate was first used on the Edison Home.
The Edison Company discontinued open horn phonographs (including . the patent plate was changed to show the last date as May 31, Tags: data plate, Edison, patent plate, phonograph, Standard “Thomas A. Edison, Inc.” as the manufacturer and has a last patent date of Aug. I just purchased this Edison Standard model with serial number S with the last patent date as it has the rounded late model A.
The June 30 typo appears to be uncorrected on the very earliest Home models but seems to have been corrected by the time the Standard was introduced. Found mainly on 2 Clip Model A machines.September 1881 recording on an Edison Phonograph with wax at Volta Laboratory - filtered
Nickel-plated Brass. Last Patent date: May 31, Found mainly on 4 Clip Model A machines. Also found on the Edison Home. Found on late 4 Clip Model A machines. Brass, finished with Black Japan enamel background with silver highlights.
Plates are often found with silver worn off. Found on New style Model A machines up to around serial